Democracy & Elections

Chatter: From Right-Wing Radio to the Heart of the Never Trump Movement, with Charlie Sykes

Benjamin Wittes, Charlie Sykes
Thursday, March 21, 2024, 9:00 AM
How did Charlie Sykes end up as an anti-Trump independent?

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Charlie Sykes recently stepped down as host of the Bulwark Podcast. He's a regular commentator on MSNBC, and has written a number of books. He tells the story here of his political journey, from being a page for the Wisconsin delegation at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago, to being a working journalist increasingly disenchanted with conventional liberalism, to finding a home in Reagan Republicanism and becoming more of a political warrior than he ever meant to be--and then leaving the whole thing behind over Trumpism.

Watch a video version of their conversation here.


Benjamin Wittes is editor in chief of Lawfare and a Senior Fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution. He is the author of several books.
Charles Jay Sykes is an American political commentator who is currently editor-in-chief of the website The Bulwark.

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