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Matt Brazil discusses his new book co-written with Peter Mattis, "Chinese Communist Espionage, An Intelligence Primer." We talk about the role spies played in the creation and evolution of the CCP, run through some Zhou Enlai conspiracy theories and discuss the role of espionage in today's China.

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Intro Music: Wong Chia Chi's theme from Lust, Caution

Outtro Music: Player's Ball by Outkast (Thank you Georgia!)

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Jordan Schneider is the host of the ChinaTalk podcast and newsletter. He previously worked at Kwai, Bridgewater and the Eurasia Group. His Chinese landscape paintings "show promise."

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