The Lawfare Podcast: China-Australia Relations and What the U.S. Should Do About It

Jen Patja, Jacquelyn G. Schneider, Yun Jiang, Wendy Cutler

Monday, December 14, 2020, 12:00 PM

Published by The Lawfare Institute
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In the first part of this episode, Jordan Schneider, the host of ChinaTalk, sat down with Yun Jiang, a former Australian government official and an editor at the Australian National University's China Story blog, for a deep dive into the Australia-China relationship, providing much needed context on why tension has boiled over in recent months. In the second part, we excerpt a conversation that Jordan had with Wendy Cutler, a long-time USTR official and current vice president and managing director of the Asia Society Policy Institute. They talked about how the Biden administration could address China on trade, and she offers her take on Yun and Jordan's policy proposals for shoring up Australia.

Jen Patja

Jen Patja is the editor and producer of the Lawfare Podcast and Rational Security. She currently serves as the Co-Executive Director of Virginia Civics, a nonprofit organization that empowers the next generation of leaders in Virginia by promoting constitutional literacy, critical thinking, and civic engagement. She is the former Deputy Director of the Robert H. Smith Center for the Constitution at James Madison's Montpelier and has been a freelance editor for over 20 years.

Jacquelyn G. Schneider

Jacquelyn Schneider is a Hoover Fellow at Stanford University, a nonresident fellow at the Naval War College’s Cyber and Innovation Policy Institute, and a senior adviser to the Cyberspace Solarium Commission. She researches the intersection of technology, national security, and political psychology with a special interest in cyber, unmanned technologies, and wargaming. Her work has appeared in a variety of outlets, including Security Studies, the Journal of Conflict Resolution, the Journal of Strategic Studies, Foreign Affairs, Lawfare, War on the Rocks, the Washington Post and the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists. She has a bachelor of arts degree from Columbia University, a master of arts degree from Arizona State University and a doctorate from George Washington University.