Lawfare Podcast Episode #44: Matt Apuzzo on Najibullah Zazi and NSA Surveillance Programs

Bruce Riedel, Director of the Intelligence Project, hosted Matt Apuzzo at the Brookings Institution for a discussion of his new book “Enemies Within: Inside the NYPD’s Secret Spying Unit and bin Laden’s Final Plot Against America.” Matt and his colleague, Adam Goldman, are Associated Press reporters who covered the NYPD’s secret surveillance of American Muslims and won the Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting last year. The pair recently published this book (which Bruce reviewed for Lawfare earlier this month) about the 2009 plot to attack the New York City subway system, led by Afghan-American Najibullah Zazi. At the event, Matt and Bruce discussed the plot, the current state of Al Qeada, and whether recent claims by government officials that the NSA’s surveillance programs led to thwarting this terrorist attack have merit.