The Lawfare Podcast: Swedish and Finnish Security Awaiting NATO Membership

Jen Patja, David Priess, Katarina Tracz, Minna Ålander
Tuesday, July 19, 2022, 12:00 PM
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In recent weeks, we've brought you information and insight about Swedish and Finnish attitudes toward NATO membership, and about Turkey's machinations regarding the two countrys’ applications. But now, Sweden and Finland have been invited to NATO—and member country ratifications are coming in.

To explore the topic deeper, David Priess sat down with Katarina Tracz, the director of the Stockholm Free World Forum (Frivärld) and author of the book in Swedish, “The Sea of Peace? Increased Tensions Around the Baltic Sea,” and with Minna Ålander, from the German Institute for International and Security Affairs, where she focuses on Finnish and Nordic security.

They talked about Swedish and Finnish strategic perceptions and military interoperability with NATO equipment, the geopolitical importance of the Baltic sea, specifically the Gulf of Finland and Gotland, and about Swedish and Finnish risk perceptions as they await NATO membership. 

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Jen Patja

Jen Patja

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Jen Patja is the editor and producer of the Lawfare Podcast and Rational Security. She currently serves as the Co-Executive Director of Virginia Civics, a nonprofit organization that empowers the next generation of leaders in Virginia by promoting constitutional literacy, critical thinking, and civic engagement. She is the former Deputy Director of the Robert H. Smith Center for the Constitution at James Madison's Montpelier and has been a freelance editor for over 20 years.
David Priess

David Priess

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David Priess is Director of Intelligence at Bedrock Learning, Inc. and a Senior Fellow at the Michael V. Hayden Center for Intelligence, Policy, and International Security. He served during the Clinton and Bush 43 administrations as a CIA officer and has written two books: “The President’s Book of Secrets,” about the top-secret President’s Daily Brief, and "How To Get Rid of a President," describing the ways American presidents have left office.
Katarina Tracz

Katarina Tracz

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Katarina Tracz is the director of the Stockholm Free World Forum (Frivärld) and author of the book in Swedish, “The Sea of Peace? Increased Tensions Around the Baltic Sea.”
Minna Ålander

Minna Ålander

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Minna Ålander is research fellow at the Finnish Institute of International Affairs (FIIA) in Helsinki. Her research topics are German and Finnish foreign and security policy, Northern European security and Nordic defence cooperation. Previously, she worked at the German Institute for International and Security Affairs (SWP) in Berlin.

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