The National Security Law Podcast: A Deep Dive into the Anwar al-Awlaki Case(s)

Robert Chesney, Steve Vladeck
Wednesday, August 29, 2018, 9:15 AM

We are back this week with a new “deep dive” episode, this time focused on the issues raised by the U.S. government’s use of lethal force against Anwar al-Awlaki–a U.S. citizen who became a key figure associated with al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Tune in for a detailed backgrounder covering:

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We are back this week with a new “deep dive” episode, this time focused on the issues raised by the U.S. government’s use of lethal force against Anwar al-Awlaki–a U.S. citizen who became a key figure associated with al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Tune in for a detailed backgrounder covering:

  • the unsuccessful attempt by al-Awlaki’s father to obtain ex ante injunctive relief in federal court (and the standing, political question doctrine, and state-secrets privilege issues that suit raised)
  • the unsuccessful attempt by his father to obtain Bivens damages after a drone strike killed al-Awlaki
  • the “white paper” the Justice Department produced to give a sense of its position on the merits as to when it is constitutional and otherwise lawful to use lethal force against a citizen in this context, and the Second Circuit’s determination that the government had largely waived privilege as to the OLC memorandum underlying that white paper (and the disincentive this created for further white papers, speeches, and the like regarding internal legal advice/positions)
  • the merits of the arguments as set forth in that white paper (Fourth Amendment seizures and Fifth Amendment Due Process, criminal laws prohibiting overseas killing of citizens, and the Executive Order prohibiting “assassination”)

In short, this episode covers a wide-array of topics. One could teach a whole course in national security law based in no small part on just these topics.

Note: There will be no separate episode this week or next regarding events since the morning of Aug. 21 (aka, pre-Cohen plea). Steve is traveling, so he and Bobby pre-recorded this deep dive episode as well as next week’s (episode 89) in advance. We’ll be back with a “regular” episode (episode 90) on or about Sept. 6.


Robert (Bobby) Chesney is the Dean of the University of Texas School of Law, where he also holds the James A. Baker III Chair in the Rule of Law and World Affairs at UT. He is known internationally for his scholarship relating both to cybersecurity and national security. He is a co-founder of Lawfare, the nation’s leading online source for analysis of national security legal issues, and he co-hosts the popular show The National Security Law Podcast.
Steve Vladeck is a professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law. A 2004 graduate of Yale Law School, Steve clerked for Judge Marsha Berzon on the Ninth Circuit and Judge Rosemary Barkett on the Eleventh Circuit. In addition to serving as a senior editor of the Journal of National Security Law & Policy, Steve is also the co-editor of Aspen Publishers’ leading National Security Law and Counterterrorism Law casebooks.

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