The National Security Law Podcast: Is It Treason Not to Clap for this Podcast?

Robert Chesney, Steve Vladeck
Tuesday, February 6, 2018, 4:20 PM

Sorry that football season is over? Lucky for you, the National Security Law Podcast has no offseason! And lucky for your co-hosts, the world keeps generating new topics for conversation and debate. This week, Professors Vladeck and Chesney cover four main topics:

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Sorry that football season is over? Lucky for you, the National Security Law Podcast has no offseason! And lucky for your co-hosts, the world keeps generating new topics for conversation and debate. This week, Professors Vladeck and Chesney cover four main topics:

  • The president’s “treason” remarks yesterday in Cincinnati
  • The next stages in the Nunes #Mehmo controversy:
    • What precisely must happen under the House rules in order for the Schiff Memo to see the light of day, and what rules and laws might come into play if the White House opposes release?
    • Will the FISC be persuaded to publish a redacted version of the original (and successive) FISA order applications involving Carter Page? Can those documents be obtained via FOIA?
  • Military Commissions and the firing of Harvey Rishikof and Gary Brown:
    • What might this signify, and why might it have happened?
    • What does it portend for the huge February 20th deadline for transferring al-Darbi out of GTMO pursuant to his plea agreement?
  • Doe v. Mattis status report:
    • When is the government’s return due, and what should we expect it to say?
    • The government is appealing Judge Chutkan’s order requiring 72-hours notice prior to transfer: What are the prospects for that appeal, and where does the Kiyemba II ruling fit into the mix?

Of course, it wouldn’t be the NSL Podcast without ill-informed digressions. The Super Bowl provides fodder for plenty of that. Listen to the bitter end, if you must, and you’ll hear commentary on Justin Timberlake, the Han Solo prequel, Dirty Dancing, and the game that they played between the commercials.


Robert (Bobby) Chesney is the Dean of the University of Texas School of Law, where he also holds the James A. Baker III Chair in the Rule of Law and World Affairs at UT. He is known internationally for his scholarship relating both to cybersecurity and national security. He is a co-founder of Lawfare, the nation’s leading online source for analysis of national security legal issues, and he co-hosts the popular show The National Security Law Podcast.
Steve Vladeck is a professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law. A 2004 graduate of Yale Law School, Steve clerked for Judge Marsha Berzon on the Ninth Circuit and Judge Rosemary Barkett on the Eleventh Circuit. In addition to serving as a senior editor of the Journal of National Security Law & Policy, Steve is also the co-editor of Aspen Publishers’ leading National Security Law and Counterterrorism Law casebooks.

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