National Security Law Podcast: 'That’s Nobody’s Business But the Turks'

Robert Chesney, Steve Vladeck
Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 4:02 PM

In addition to quoting They Might Be Giants lyrics, this week’s episode features cohosts Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck taking on three big issues:

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In addition to quoting They Might Be Giants lyrics, this week’s episode features cohosts Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck taking on three big issues:

  1. The Impeachment Inquiry and the White House counsel’s letter on non-cooperation
  2. President Trump’s decision to abandon America’s Kurdish allies and thus set in motion the potential release of thousands of Islamic State fighters
  3. A set of newly-declassified decisions by the FISC (and FISC-R) involving the latest round of Section 702 certification, including a finding that compliance problems at FBI (with respect to running U.S. person queries of the 702 database) amounted, in the totality of the circumstances, to a Fourth Amendment violation.

As for frivolity: the world of sportsball meshed with foreign relations as the NBA quivered in the face of a Beijing backlash, all triggered by a tweet from the Rockets’ general manager. “It is time for us all to decide who we are…”


Robert (Bobby) Chesney is the Dean of the University of Texas School of Law, where he also holds the James A. Baker III Chair in the Rule of Law and World Affairs at UT. He is known internationally for his scholarship relating both to cybersecurity and national security. He is a co-founder of Lawfare, the nation’s leading online source for analysis of national security legal issues, and he co-hosts the popular show The National Security Law Podcast.
Steve Vladeck is a professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law. A 2004 graduate of Yale Law School, Steve clerked for Judge Marsha Berzon on the Ninth Circuit and Judge Rosemary Barkett on the Eleventh Circuit. In addition to serving as a senior editor of the Journal of National Security Law & Policy, Steve is also the co-editor of Aspen Publishers’ leading National Security Law and Counterterrorism Law casebooks.

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