The National Security Law Podcast: We’re Spending It On Barbecue!

Robert Chesney, Steve Vladeck
Friday, May 18, 2018, 6:10 PM

Spring classes may be over, but national security legal news hasn’t slowed down one bit. This week, we wrestle with the following:

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Spring classes may be over, but national security legal news hasn’t slowed down one bit. This week, we wrestle with the following:

  1. The D.C. Circuit ruling in Doe v. Mattis (forbidding the government from transferring him unless and until the government wins on the merits in the underlying habeas case). How did the majority parse the doctrine of transfers, why did the dissent disagree, what will happen next, and–by the way–isn’t it clear at this point that he could be prosecuted in civilian court under 18 U.S.C. 2339B?
  2. The D.C. Circuit briefing order relating to the al-Nashiri military commission case: The “seven-layer dip” case now has about layers, but the Circuit appears poised to take a substantial bite out of it in one fell swoop. Whether this will result in further difficulties for the prosecution or, instead, pave the way to trial, is not yet clear.
  3. The D.C. Circuit briefing order in Smith v. Trump, raising a mootness problem with an attempt by a deployed servicemember to challenge the government’s interpretation that the AUMF applies to the Islamic State.
  4. The D.C. Circuit … nah, just kidding, three D.C. Circuit items is plenty. The next item instead is a telling comparison of two unfolding detention issues that are in the news but not the courts. First, we have an ongoing debate (within the administration and also at the diplomatic level) over what to do with the Islamic State fighters detained by the Syrian Democratic Force in Syria (especially the European citizens among them). The SDF won’t hold these people forever–perhaps not even for long–but no clear plan has yet emerged. Meanwhile, a separate story underscores how little we really know about what happens to captured IS fighters who end up in Iraqi custody, while also noting that the United States has some form of involvement in the resulting interrogations in at least some such cases.
  5. Quick timeout to recap this week’s new Supreme Court opinions (including notes on severability and on reasonable expectations of privacy).
  6. The demise of the nuclear agreement with Iran.

We do squeeze in a modest dose of frivolity at the end, mostly NBA-focused. But buckle up for next week–and send us your opinions in advance–as we grapple with a classic question: What are the best (or, if you prefer, worst) one-hit wonder songs?


Robert (Bobby) Chesney is the Dean of the University of Texas School of Law, where he also holds the James A. Baker III Chair in the Rule of Law and World Affairs at UT. He is known internationally for his scholarship relating both to cybersecurity and national security. He is a co-founder of Lawfare, the nation’s leading online source for analysis of national security legal issues, and he co-hosts the popular show The National Security Law Podcast.
Steve Vladeck is a professor of law at the University of Texas School of Law. A 2004 graduate of Yale Law School, Steve clerked for Judge Marsha Berzon on the Ninth Circuit and Judge Rosemary Barkett on the Eleventh Circuit. In addition to serving as a senior editor of the Journal of National Security Law & Policy, Steve is also the co-editor of Aspen Publishers’ leading National Security Law and Counterterrorism Law casebooks.

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