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Rational Security: The “Out of the Twenty-Twenty-Fourno, Into the Fire” Edition

Scott R. Anderson, Quinta Jurecic, Alan Z. Rozenshtein
Wednesday, January 1, 2025, 12:30 PM
Scott Anderson, Alan Rozenshtein, and Quinta Jurecic talked over listener-submitted topics
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For the podcast’s annual end-of-year episode, Scott sat down with co-hosts emeritus Alan Rozenshtein and Quinta Jurecic to talk over listener-submitted topics and object lessons, including…

  • How will the collapse of the Assad regime impact the region? And can the United States help create a secular, democratic Syria?

  • How is the pending TikTok ban even enforceable (if it is)?

  • What national security story from 2024 deserved more attention?

  • Won’t the Fifth Circuit’s recent Tornado Cash opinion simply lead the Treasury Department to sanction the cryptocurrency Ethereum as a whole?

  • What are the most underrated threats to U.S. national security in the last half of this decade?

  • What will be the Trump administration’s first major national security misstep?

  • How worried should the United States be about the BRIC countries’ recent discussions of forming their own reserve currency?


For object lessons, Trevor recommended insightful indie video games for our three hosts based on their interests: “Bury Me, My Love” for Scott; “We, the Revolution” for Alan; and “Not for Broadcast” for Quinta. Thomas endorsed the podcast and associated media company “Popular Front” on uncovered conflict issues. Keith through his support behind the podcast “It Did Happen Here” about Portland’s anti-racist skinhead movement. Connor recommended the books “The Queen of Cuba” by Peter Lapp and “The President’s Book of Secrets” by Lawfare alum David Priess, as well as the docuseries “FBI True”. Keenan followed up with another book recommendation, Daniel Immewahr’s “How to Hide an Empire”. And Liz endorsed Gayle Tzemach Lemmon’s “Ashley’s War,” about women who deployed to Afghanistan as cultural support teams for special operations units.


And that’s it for 2024! But don’t worry, Rational Security and the whole Lawfare team will be back with you in the new year to help make sense of what’s to come in national security in 2025 — now back at our old release day and time, at midday on Wednesdays (D.C.-time) every week!
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Scott R. Anderson

Scott R. Anderson

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Scott R. Anderson is a fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution and a Senior Fellow in the National Security Law Program at Columbia Law School. He previously served as an Attorney-Adviser in the Office of the Legal Adviser at the U.S. Department of State and as the legal advisor for the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad, Iraq.
Quinta Jurecic

Quinta Jurecic

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Quinta Jurecic is a fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution and a senior editor at Lawfare. She previously served as Lawfare's managing editor and as an editorial writer for the Washington Post.
Alan Z. Rozenshtein

Alan Z. Rozenshtein

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Alan Z. Rozenshtein is an Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota Law School, Research Director and Senior Editor at Lawfare, a Nonresident Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution, and a Term Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Previously, he served as an Attorney Advisor with the Office of Law and Policy in the National Security Division of the U.S. Department of Justice and a Special Assistant United States Attorney in the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Maryland.

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