Cybersecurity & Tech

The Lawfare Podcast: Tino Cuéllar and Hadrien Pouget on AI Safety

Alan Z. Rozenshtein, Mariano-Florentino Cuéllar, Hadrien Pouget, Jen Patja
Thursday, October 12, 2023, 8:00 AM
How do we avail ourselves of AI's benefits while minimizing its costs?
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Artificial intelligence has massive upside potential. It could revolutionize education, science, and art, and lead to a more prosperous and equitable world. But it also carries equally massive downside risk—not just for individuals but for society and human civilization itself. How do we avail ourselves of AI's benefits while minimizing its costs?

That's a question that our two guests today have thought a lot about. Tino Cuéllar is a former Stanford law professor and California supreme court justice, and he's currently the President of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Hadrien Pouget is an Associate Fellow in the Technology and International Affairs Program at Carnegie.

Alan Rozenshtein, Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota and Senior Editor at Lawfare spoke with Tino and Hadrien about what lessons history can and can't teach us when it comes to regulating AI and what an international regulatory framework for this technology might look like.

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Alan Z. Rozenshtein

Alan Z. Rozenshtein

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Alan Z. Rozenshtein is an Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota Law School, Research Director and Senior Editor at Lawfare, a Nonresident Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution, and a Term Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Previously, he served as an Attorney Advisor with the Office of Law and Policy in the National Security Division of the U.S. Department of Justice and a Special Assistant United States Attorney in the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Maryland.
Mariano-Florentino Cuéllar

Mariano-Florentino Cuéllar

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Mariano-Florentino "Tino" Cuéllar is the president of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
Hadrien Pouget

Hadrien Pouget

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Hadrien Pouget is a visiting research analyst in the Technology and International Affairs Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. Having published several technical papers on the verification of AI systems, he leverages his combined technical and policy backgrounds to analyze the course of AI regulation. He takes a particular interest in the challenges faced by those setting AI technical standards, which are set to underpin regulation.
Jen Patja

Jen Patja

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Jen Patja is the editor and producer of the Lawfare Podcast and Rational Security. She currently serves as the Co-Executive Director of Virginia Civics, a nonprofit organization that empowers the next generation of leaders in Virginia by promoting constitutional literacy, critical thinking, and civic engagement. She is the former Deputy Director of the Robert H. Smith Center for the Constitution at James Madison's Montpelier and has been a freelance editor for over 20 years.

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