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The Lawfare Podcast: Cybersecurity and AI

Jen Patja, Benjamin Wittes, Alex Stamos, Nicole Perlroth, Dave Willner
Monday, April 3, 2023, 12:00 PM
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Hosted by the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation Cyber Initiative and Aspen Digital, Verify 2023 brings together journalists and cyber and tech policy experts to discuss critical issues in cybersecurity. For this live recording of the Lawfare Podcast, Benjamin Wittes sat down at Verify 2023 with Alex Stamos of the Stanford Internet Observatory; Nicole Perlroth, formerly of the New York Times and the author of a recent book on zero days; and Dave Willner, the Head of Trust & Safety at OpenAI, the company that produces ChatGPT. They talked about cybersecurity and AI, the threats to AI algorithms, the threats from AI algorithms, and the threats from humans misusing large language models. 


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Jen Patja

Jen Patja

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Jen Patja is the editor and producer of the Lawfare Podcast and Rational Security. She currently serves as the Co-Executive Director of Virginia Civics, a nonprofit organization that empowers the next generation of leaders in Virginia by promoting constitutional literacy, critical thinking, and civic engagement. She is the former Deputy Director of the Robert H. Smith Center for the Constitution at James Madison's Montpelier and has been a freelance editor for over 20 years.
Benjamin Wittes

Benjamin Wittes

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Benjamin Wittes is editor in chief of Lawfare and a Senior Fellow in Governance Studies at the Brookings Institution. He is the author of several books.
Alex Stamos

Alex Stamos

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Alex Stamos is an adjunct professor at Stanford University’s Freeman Spogli Institute for International Studies, a fellow at the Center for International Security and Cooperation, and a visiting scholar at the Hoover Institution. Until recently, he was the chief security officer of Facebook.
Nicole Perlroth

Nicole Perlroth

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Nicole Perlroth is the lead cybersecurity reporter at The New York Times, covering cybersecurity and digital espionage.
Dave Willner

Dave Willner

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Dave Willner is the Head of Trust and Safety at OpenAI, the company that produces ChatGPT.